Interview with Stanley Hilton with Alex Jones 11 March 2003 The Jones Report

Alex Jones:	He has a busy schedule. He's been in court, all last week and all this week. We had him on about a year ago. He's Stanley Hilton. He was brutally attacked by the big government pimps Hannity and Colmes. He was a senior advisor for Bob Dole, counsel for Bob Dole and others in the Republican Party. He's an expert on government-sponsored terrorism and has written a book about it, throughout history. And he now has new revelations never before revealed from his depositions of witnesses involved in and around 9/11. He represents over 400 of the victims of 9/11's families and he has been given almost no attention. While some of the other groups headed by well-known PR bureaucrats, we've had them on the show, as well, are trying to suppress this information. Joining us is Stanley Hilton. We are honored to have you on the show Stanley.
Stanley Hilton:	Glad to be here.
Alex Jones:	Tell us just a little bit about yourself, your lawsuit, recap what we covered last year and in the last year. Tell us what's developed with the lawsuit and the new revelations that you told me about on the phone.
Stanley Hilton:	We filed the lawsuit last May against Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and several other of the rest of the terrorists that run the U.S. government for complicity in causing and also in aiding and abetting the 9/11 attacks, in order to promote their political agenda. We are in the process, . . . these lawsuits, they come and they go in terms of level of activity. Most of it is done in confidential, called discovery; litigation that is depositions under oath, battles in court to get documents. We are facing very strong resistance from the government. They are claiming national security over everything. They claim they don't want to release documents, etc. But I represent the people who were victimized by what the government did. I'm also challenging the constitutionality of the so-called USA PATRIOT Act, they call it. The anti-patriot act is what I call it. And Patriot Act I and II, with II in the wings, which the government plans to introduce this year, which will be even more severe than Patriot Act I. This new one, Patriot Act II, they are going to give Bush the right to declare any American citizen a "enemy combatant" arbitrarily. And then take away your citizenship. This will give the government the power to literally strip any American of citizenship if Bush says you're an enemy combatant, ie: political opponent of the government. Anyway we saw some very interesting documents and memoranda, including several of those advisors around Bush, namely Wolfowitz, Wormser, Feith, Perle, the rest of them. They actually wrote these memos several months before 9/11, in which they fervently wished for a "Pearl Harbor type incident" to give them the shock value that would enable them to ramp through their agenda.
Alex Jones:	You told me last week before this was on ABC News that you have gotten some of this information through depositions and some other little tidbits that haven't been disclosed. But also, you talked about how you deposed, you got the marriage certificates, the evidence, the photographs -- a woman who was married to one of the hijackers. You talked to what you said were six or eight people who were connected to them. And then we have the news articles where the FBI gave them homes, paid their rent, followed them around. We know Israel was involved in similar things. Can you speak to that please?
Stanley Hilton:	Yes. I do have a witness who was married. She's an American woman but she was married to one of the hijackers and she knew about seven of them. She met seven of them. Essentially these Arab hijackers were double agents. That is they were operating inside the U.S. for ten to fifteen years in "cells". Some of them used the term al Qaeda. They've used other terms. Al Qaeda is just a word. That means nothing. You could call them the Muslim Brotherhood, the Army of God. They go by all sorts of names. But what they are is a series of cells that have been aided and abetted by the U.S. Government. This woman was involved also, married to him at the time of the 1993 World Trade Center first bombing and the Oklahoma City bombing when her "ex-husband" actually traveled to Oklahoma City several weeks before the bombings. And they were involved, apparently, in that. But what we have here is double agents. In that they nominally appear to be Arab fanatics. But one of the points that she stressed is they are really not Muslims. They are more interested in Playboy than in the Koran. I mean these people drink. They are very secular. They are not the fanatical Muslim zealots that the Bush criminals would lead us to believe is what's operating here. What they are is they receive regular payments from the U.S. Government. They have been recruited by the CIA, FBI, counter-intelligence, and so-forth and paid money and allowed to exchange information with U.S. government agents about various activities going on . . . The witness I was talking about, personally met Atta -- two Attas -- Mohamed and the younger brother. And they are alleged to be two of the ones on the airliners. The thing is, these individuals are, in my view, "patsies". That is, they were paid by the government. I don't believe that they themselves flew the planes into, as I said previously, allegations are that the government has this device that we codename Cyclops that allows, from an airbase nearby, to disable the pilot's control of an airliners and to fly them by remote control.
Alex Jones:	That's admitted. It's decades old. It's called Global Hawk.
Stanley Hilton:	Global Hawk, right. Of course, the government denied that it's "deployed". They say they've got the technology but they haven't deployed it.
Alex Jones:	. . . Bush, two days after the attack at a speech in New York said that in the future we can remote control these planes and land them so this doesn't happen. And someone reached up and physically grabbed him by the arm and made him shut-up. And, if you've seen "The Masters of Terror," we have the two Associated Press articles, after you were on our show and brought this up that you have this from inside military officers. . . .
Stanley Hilton:	Yes.
Alex Jones:	Suddenly, they had a cover story and two AP articles in the New York Daily News, all in the film, where they said, "Lo and behold, 8:30 in the morning, the CIA was running a drill of flying jetliners into buildings in New York and D.C." It just so happened at that very minute they were running this that NORAD stood down for an hour and half, the 58 minutes in different cases. . . .
Stanley Hilton:	The official government party ... first line of defense is the cause and effect of science-fiction doesn't exist. But that's a total lie. Anybody that works -- and I've spoken to hundreds of mechanics and maintenance managers at United Airlines and American Airlines and several others, and they all confirm that technology exists.
Alex Jones:	How do drones operate? The company is in Fort Worth.
Stanley Hilton:	The question is Has it been deployed? The answer is yes it has. I have one witness who was on the very same United aircraft from Newark, New Jersey to San Francisco, four days before September 11th, and observed certain individuals on that plane who were then later claimed to be the hijackers. He observed them speaking with the government agents.
Alex Jones:	Is that Mr. Woods?
Stanley Hilton:	I can't disclose names on that right now.
Alex Jones:	And then, he was threatened. I don't know if it is Woods but Woods said, he. . . .
Stanley Hilton:	No, it's not Woods. It's someone else. This is a civilian.
Alex Jones:	But with Woods, the famous actor, (garbled) and this is a problem, the FBI came and said you tell anybody about this and you are going to jail.
Stanley Hilton:	Yes that's right. The anti-Patriot Act I and II, as I call them, are the tools which are very similar to what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler's enabling act after the Reichstag fire. It gave him dictatorial power. That's the goal here. That's the end run. This is what we have to look at here -- what their purpose ultimately is. This attempt to invade Iraq now, for no purpose, is coming next week or the week after, is just starting. This was planned long before 9/11. These people around Wolfowitz and so forth. I went to school with Wolfowitz. I was at the same university in the late `60s when he was very active with the Israelis at the University of Chicago. He was pursuing a PhD and these people have an agenda. It's not an agenda that helps the America people; it's an attempt to use this country and its power, to wreck this country, in the service of another nefarious and ulterior goal.
Alex Jones:	Mr. Hilton there is a lot to cover. Can we go through your depositions and this is incredibly dangerous. . . . You know what you are doing is very, very dangerous. I'm going to be honest with you, I hope you have large life insurance policies.
Stanley Hilton:	(Laughs)
Alex Jones:	. . . Go down some of the key stuff you've got in depositions. I don't want to give your whole case away.
Stanley Hilton:	As I mentioned, the individual on the aircraft that was later hijacked, four days later -- same flight, same destination -- Newark to San Francisco -- what he observed, what others on that plane (including United flight attendants) observed were these individuals, who four days later were said to be on the plane that crashed it. And they're government controlled. There is this term "trade craft," meaning basically spying, counter-spying. One of the terms in trade craft is control. These Arabs that were alleged to have done it had controls and some of our discovery has identified some of these people. They are FBI and CIA agents who . . . these people operated in cells. The cells are from six to twelve individuals. And the cells move around, for instance, from Portland, Oregon to San Diego. It's just one example. But they didn't move all six to twelve of them by chance. They were instructed to do it. They were at locations or schools or apartments, etc., that were bought here. Again, this is from a direct eyewitness. This has been verified with marriage certificates, documents, photographs; photographs with bin Laden and his brothers.
Alex Jones:	Paid for by the U.S. Government. That's official.
Stanley Hilton:	Yeah.
Alex Jones:	Associated Press, Washington Post and they brush that over.
Stanley Hilton:	Look back in '93 and '95, Oklahoma City, World Trade Center, and you say well Clinton was in power; whereas now it's Bush. So you say How could it be the same players here? The answer is that the shadow government transcends individual political puppets that occupy 1600 Pennsylvania. I mean it doesn't make much difference whether it's Clinton or Bush. The shadow government, as I call it, essentially is continuous. These bureaucrats that you've got there at the Pentagon, State Dept., White House, etc., they stay on. They stay on from administration to administration pursuing a certain agenda. I think this is all part of a pattern. The latest example, manifestation was 9/11. You've got that and the anthrax attack which happened after 9/11.
Alex Jones:	That turns out [to be] the most weaponized form of anthrax ever seen, U.S. Government patented design. It is incredibly small microns, levels, coated in bentonite, sent and then Bush is on Cipro, the anthrax antibiotic on September 10th, with his cabinet. Judicial Watch tries to serve a summons to depose the press secretary who admitted this and they tell them at the front gate, you'll be arrested if you depose us. Did you hear about that?
Stanley Hilton:	Yes I did. . . .
Alex Jones:	. . . Any other key depositions you've done? Not just with military officers or witnesses of the feds protecting the hijackers on planes and training them or people inside the airlines with the Global Hawk on these aircraft, all of this, break it down. Any other key smoking gun pieces of evidence and where's your lawsuit going? I read in the press, the government is declaring national security on that and on the fire fighter tapes, that recorded bombs going off. They first said all the tapes malfunctioned. It turns out they were all there, grabbed by Bush. Could you break all this down for us. Any other key areas?
Stanley Hilton:	There is a lot of this I can't talk about on the air for obvious reasons. But the evidence is building as we are going to eventually get it out to the light of day in public trial -- which we hope to bring next year, here in the federal court. Also, it's part of [the] larger agenda, but what's really going [on] is we hope to examine the constitutionality of this anti-patriot act because it's clearly unconstitutional. The Eighth Amendment says you can't use cruel or unusual punishment. But [Alan] Dershowitz and his pals, and his friends around Bush, of course, don't think that means a damn thing. They want to bring about a lawless society under the guise of laws. It's largely political but I think the evidence will show that these criminals are not only going to be removed from power but brought to justice for their crimes, including mass murder and attempting to destroy this country's democracy.
Alex Jones:	I would say our constitutional republic. Mr. Hilton, I would add to that that across the board here, you read Patriot Act II. . . . it says they can grab you for any reason not even knowing if you aided a terrorist. Grab you -- not ever telling when they grabbed you -- you are a missing person. And then it's got a subsection on secret executions.
Stanley Hilton:	This sounds like something out of a bad science-fiction novel. But, throughout history, totalitarian regimes abuse terror as they instrument a state policy and that's what we have today. It's just a continuation of history. I mean the czars in Russian used it, the Nazis used it, the communists used it. It's nothing new. This is just a new guise. They are bringing about selective terror. I would suspect that they will try something again, maybe not quite as spectacular as 9/11 but certainly something of that nature to try again to galvanize, what's called GSR, galvanic skin response, to get the people scared to death so they will give up more and more of their rights. But it's all an illusion. What we need to do is get rid of these criminals, bring them to justice, have them arrested under a real tribunal and put them on trial for their crimes against not only the people, but their crimes against humanity. . . .
Alex Jones:	Where's your suit going? How are they trying to block it using national security?
Stanley Hilton:	By refusing to give us documents that we have subpoenaed, documents that we have demanded by the regular court processes, by claiming that there is a national security override. They have also attempted to bribe several of the plaintiffs. One of the fellows I used to work with in the U.S. Senate, named Ken Feinberg, he's in charge of handing out what I call sugar-coated bribes. That is monetary awards to any of the victims of 9/11 and their families who will drop their suits or waive their right to sue. And, in fact, some of them have brought suit against Ken. I know the guy personally because I used to work with him on the Senate Judiciary Committee. And that's one of the things they try to do. But as far as my suit is concerned, they are trying to raise this blanket of national security and so a lot of it is involved in the litigation process and so forth. They can claim to hide everything, to hide what they are doing. That's just a word. It means nothing -- national security -- what does that mean? Especially when we are accusing these very individuals of sabotaging the national security of this country to pursue their own political objective.
Alex Jones:	The new Patriot Act gets rid of almost all civil rights suits and court orders and gives them total immunity. Just like Bush, in Homeland Security, gave vaccine makers immunity for autism class action suits. You're right, it's criminals giving themselves immunity.
Stanley Hilton:	That's right. In Nazi Germany you can't sue Hitler. Did anybody try to sue Hitler? No, he got immunity, too. And the same is true of the communists or czarist Russia, Mao Tse-tung in China, what have you, you cannot enforce your rights unless you can bring these criminals to justice in a court of law. And they are trying to take away that right -- not only in that way but in many other ways. They are trying to attack so-called "trial lawyers" -- totally take away people's rights, to con them into believing that if you just blindly follow Bush, make Bush a god, and it is really very frightening.
Alex Jones:	Judicial Watch is suing Bush for the workers there at the post office who wouldn't get treatment even after the anthrax attacks were going. It turns out Bush and his cabinet were on Cipro. Judical Watch twice tried to serve papers to the White House press secretary who admitted in the press conference October 10th, 2001, that they were all on Cipro. And they tried to deliver this subpoena for the deposition and they said we'll arrest you. This was in the news, under the Patriot Act, if you drop that subpoena. Clinton would accept subpoenas. Now they are threatening to arrest people for terrorism if they give somebody a subpoena.
Stanley Hilton:	It's absurd but it's like the situation in the Albany, New York mall where they arrested a guy for wearing a peace t-shirt. We are clearly losing civil liberties here. It's just really awful. The way you do that, you undermine like a termite, you undermine and destroy the foundation of people's freedom. I have a client here in San Francisco who was fired by Neiman Marcus a couple of weeks ago because he was distributing some of your literature, Alex, like your videotapes and some of those deception dollars -- that has Bush's face as basically a war criminal and as a big brother. And these people arrested him, they put him in handcuffs, they beat him up, they escorted him out of there and they fired him. And they said the country is in war.
Alex Jones:	By the way, he is a listener of this show, Abel Ash (?). When the security guy walked him in -- he was doing this during his lunch break which everybody was doing. Everybody was giving stuff out during lunch break. And they said to him, you are not allowed to do this. You are not allowed to speak out. We are at war, you can't do that. Then they fired him. So it shows the mindset, the insane mindset.
Stanley Hilton:	It's pretty much like the analogy of termites. The criminals, what they are doing is they are sending out the termites to undermine the foundation of the country. Just as with termites, you can think there is a brilliant house there that is a house ready to collapse because of the rot inside. That's what's happening here in this country -- it's rotting away and these termites are conning average citizens and security guards, mall guards to go out against people and they are saying put an American flag, bumper sticker, on and that makes you a patriot. Meanwhile you are destroying the very principles the flag is supposed to represent.
Alex Jones:	There you go. The listeners are very patient. Can we take some calls?
Stanley Hilton:	Sure.
Alex Jones:	Andy in Ohio, and then Jackie, Gordan, Dan and Kevin. Go ahead Andy.
Andy:	Hey Alex, it's good to talk to you.
Alex Jones:	You bet. You are on the air with our guest.
Andy:	I'm really pleased to talk to you, Mr. Hilton.
Stanley Hilton:	Thank you.
Andy:	And I wanted to ask you, do you think that, on September 11th, there hijackers on those planes or not?
Stanley Hilton:	That's hard to say since we've never seen, from the legal point of view, the bodies. There have never been autopsies. They have never identified bodies.
Alex Jones:	There was a passport found in the ruble, uncharred. It's turns out eight of the nineteen are still alive. It's clear they are patsies, as he said, just seen on camera. We know that. What he is focusing on is: who paid their rent? The FBI. Who protected them? Who told FBI not to stop them? The FBI, the CIA, W1991, Bush. Is that what you are saying Mr. Hilton? You could prove they worked for the U.S. government.
Stanley Hilton:	Yes they were on the government payroll. There is no question, as I said earlier, double agents. In some cases, triple agents. But, the point is that what we have here is a situation where, in my opinion, some of those alleged nineteen were on the plane, some were not. The person who used to be married to my witness, for example, we have some evidence to believe that he is still alive, that he has contacted her. How could he be dead in a crash when he is contacting her now? This is the kind of stuff we are dealing with now. These are individuals who were groomed by the U.S. government and they were protected.
Alex Jones:	You said you have depositions that they were involved in Oklahoma City and World Trade I.
Stanley Hilton:	Yeah, that they took trips out there shortly before the April 19th, 1995 bombing, etc., etc. . . .
Alex Jones:	. . . Let's talk to Kevin in Pennsylvania. Kevin you're on the air, go ahead.
Kevin:	. . . I also would like to say I saw a little advertisement on the Weather Channel for Homeland Security. . . .
Stanley Hilton:	I just want to say something about the so-called Homeland, I call it Homeland Insecurity. . . . the purpose is to make Americans insecure not secure. . . . Briefly, the lady that's a witness that was married to one of the hijackers, she has been interviewed by the FBI thirty times and has told them various things which they have then used for this orange alert, red alert. She has actually shown me how they've used some things that were totally made up. So this is a complete fraud. . . . one of the people we've interviewed for the case is a former top official at FEMA, who was there during the Reagan Administration and the first Bush Administration. And, again, FEMA being one of the agencies that would swing into action in the event of an "emergency" would have blueprints for establishing martial law in this country. . . .
Alex Jones:	. . . Rhonda, in Missouri, you're on the air, go ahead.
Rhonda:	. . . You know this Rapture cult kind of fits in good with the Fatherland Security because when people start disappearing, they can just blame it on the rapture. We can't find them; I don't know where they are. God must have took them.
Stanley Hilton:	In South America, it's called desaparecidos, which means it disappeared. You have this in Chile and Argentina, etc. -- hundreds of thousands of people disappeared. Their families go marching around the central square on Saturday afternoons. I mean that's what you are going to be seeing here pretty soon -- people that have disappeared. I they are going to wonder where did they go? And that's the goal here -- to spread terror, to make you feel that unless you tow the line you are going to be picked up next. That's the ultimate form of power. . . . What I want to ask you is, in deposing these military, how's the military feeling about what's happened?
Stanley Hilton:	A lot of the military are very angry about what's happened. They don't like what they are seeing. The military, however, literally there is no democracy in the military. There is no freedom of speech because you are basically a foot soldier, literally, in the army so you are the last person that is supposed to dissent. Many of them are threatened -- they are threatened with the court-martials, they are not allowed to express freedom of speech. I wish several would resign in protest to make the point. There was a fellow who resigned from the government . . . . [John Brady Kiesling, a member of Bush's Foreign Service Corps and Political Counselor to the American embassy in Greece] . . . to make the point. But the military is a little different . . .